Many people say that I have incredible speaking ability meaning oral success for a Deaf person like myself with 90 to 110 db.  And yes, there are many other oral success hearing impaired people that have anywhere between 40 to 60 db but it is not fair in comparison with many having 90 or more db that are unable to be an oral success and at the same time those “Oral Success”  have the audacity to proclaim themselves success oralist with their low db.

We should care about those that do not have the ability to be an oral success and we should praise that they are ASL success and do not deserve to be ignored by the hearing society as well as those hearing impaired with low db to go about bragging that they are oral success. Those “oral success” should be shame of themselves for having no consideration of others of their impossibility achieve to be oral success.

I say, Shame on those for being so “SELF-CENTERED” proclaiming yourselves “Oral Success”

Start thinking of others, not yourselves.

For those that have real RED blood cells in their heart will enjoy this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV69iJuXwP4&feature=player_embedded

John Egbert

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Comments
  1. Recovered Oralist says:

    Yes, I agree. I prefer ASL and oralism is a false facade.

    Those selfish oralists only think of themselves.

    That’s the trouble with the program.

  2. There is nothing wrong with saying you are a success. Will you deny my child that because she has a progressive loss? I am so sick of this “deafer than thou” attitude.

  3. Anonymous former oralist says:

    Mike McConnell doesn’t have sensitivity or understanding of others. He reminds me of Hardball with Chris Matthews on MSNBC, he enjoys belittles others.

    Big EGO Success Oralist.

  4. johnfegbert says:

    Miss Kat’s Mom,

    God made us deaf and we are not trying to be “deafer than thou”. Accept those if we are not able to be “fixed” to be hearing or oral success.
    There are many children not successful as Miss Kat and having someone going around telling the public that they are successful oralist does more damage than help of those that are not successful to speak well.

    You know darn well of there are those that are not successful as Miss Kat and it is time to have compassion to stop those going around bragging of being successful oralist that the society will assume that those that can’t be successful oralist deserve to be marginalized.

    It is time to start having compassion of others rather than publicized egoism of the few success-ism.

    BTW, there are more successful bilingual Deaf children than there are monolingual deaf children.

  5. Actually, Miss Kat is NOT a superstar. She isn’t doing as well as most of the kids her age. She was very late implanted, so she started out behind in spoken language. She was 5 before she had access to spoken language, most CI kids are already completely caught up by that age! She was just beginning. You are very very wrong if you think that my child is above average!

    The studies have shown that kids with CIs and AV therapy catch up in ALL areas of development (language, speech, literacy, math and self esteem). NO other methodology can show that…even ASL.

  6. johnfegbert says:

    Miss Kat’s Mom,

    Like all children, they are just like tomato plants in June, looking so good and fresh but the result of nurture-ation from the beginning to maturation in September givies you the success or failure of your achievements of how we raise the plant or should we say our Deaf children.

    Please don’t assume your success is accomplished in June of your “child” tomato plant when you child is not ripe yet.

    We have so many parents telling stories of their child not being successful and we, the scoiety only hears the “success” stories of the few that are successful. We need to stop being so gullible of the few success stories and focus on the big picture of the reality what is going on with most of the Deaf children failing to be full citizens to be taxpayers rather than getting entitlements from the government.

    Bilingualism: ASL/English is the solution of all the problems in the past 100 years with Deaf Education and Language . It is time to stop the stupidity of what we are doing with the Deaf children.
    Let’s start both language, ASL and English at start, not one or another(choice) at start.

    Really,….. Enough is Enough!

  7. anon says:

    Ms.kat have only one research in mind and refuse to look at the bigger picture about deaf (hence self esteem) they tend to think we have low esteem because we can’t hear, speak, write and that as long as we fit in the hearing people’s standard we are happy. I think the researchers are disillusional (?) Because I read too many blogs, even late deafened, with CI say they are tired as they constantly have to “map,fix,adjust,etc” with their CI so they can hear as well as their peers.

  8. Peachlady says:

    For Miss Kat’s Mom,

    You are wrong about ASL. You don’t know what you are talking about!

    You made me laugh what you said about the studies!!!

    I have been on both side. Have you? I doubt it….

    Peachlady

  9. Marla Hatrak says:

    “When I approach a child, he inspires in me two sentiments; tenderness for what he is and respect for what he may become.” Louis Pasteur

    John, I appreciate your efforts to recognize the ASL & English potential of every deaf child. We all should work for every deaf child’s language and academic achievements and not just a few superstars that become oral poster children everywhere.

  10. Ben says:

    How about “Deaf Success”!
    Thanks for the link. Very good film. I like the soft music.
    BBF

  11. John F. Egbert says:

    Ben,

    Deaf Success is a good phrase to use. But it is more important to have a good attitude.

    Some brag of being a Oral success with a supremacy attitude is not good.

  12. Actually, I have read the research and it has not shown that kids that use ASL reach age appropriate in all areas of development. It just isn’t there. I am sorry that upsets you, but if I am wrong, feel free to show me the research.

    Again, when you say “a few superstars” you are way off. The research shows that greater than 85% of deaf kids today develop intelligible spoken language. That would mean the vast majority of kids ARE successful orally.

  13. John F. Egbert says:

    Miss Kat’s Mom,

    Please give us the link of the research that 85% of the kids(deaf?) ARE successful orally.

    I am successful orally but was trained to talk for and to the hearing people as a one way street but do not have the normal communication modality towards me.

    With ASL, I finally achieve the normal communication modality (two way street) with another ASL human being.

    Like they say, you have to be deaf to understand what it is like to be deaf with normal communication modality with ASL. Any hearing people can learn ASL but it is the desire to have the fluency which many don’t have. Even many hearing impaired people don’t have the fluency communication modality verbally or signing, it is sad that they are between a rock and a hard place unable to be verbally hearing or ASL Deaf.

  14. Marla Hatrak says:

    I would appreciate getting the link to the research Miss Kat’s Mom is referring to. It could mean that 85% of deaf children are speaking. That I could see possible. The more important issue is that one’s speaking and hearing abilities do not translate into highly academic achievements. Not at all. The California State Superintendent said in his 2007 State of Deaf Education speech:
    “…Historically, deaf and hard-of-hearing children have struggled to acquire literacy and other academic skills. This is not because they cannot hear. If hearing loss, in and of itself, caused academic failure, then all students with hearing loss would be failing, and they are not….It is a well-established fact in the field of deaf education that the deaf students who are most likely to succeed academically are those children who are born to deaf parents. Children are born into homes where they have access to the visual language of their families (American Sign Language), and they acquire that language at the same rate that hearing children of hearing parents acquire spoken language. Because they enter school with age-appropriate language skills, they are well prepared to develop literacy skills.”
    http://www.cde.ca.gov/eo/in/se/agdeaf.asp

    If you will read his full speech through the link given above, you will also see that ONLY 15% of hard of hearing students are reading at grade level or above. Go figure, huh!

    That’s because of the perpetuating myth that good speech skills are equivalent to language. It is not. Language requires more than than just good speech skills.

    John Egbert gave a good analogy. The fact that tomatoes are thriving in June do not necessarily mean they will in September. The gardeners in some of us will understand the analogy.

    Maintaining good speech is possible but is HARD WORK; there’s no beating the bushes about that. Why we would want that for our deaf children is beyond me. Then you put them in an oral academic environment where they have to work to understand speech and new academic materials. It then becomes mind boggling to me. Our outspoken deaf adults like John Egbert were the deaf children who grew up in the system. He learned sign language at 21 years old, so you can say he was successful.

    He’s also asking, “at what cost?”

  15. Recovered Oralist says:

    This makes me sick how some parents are still living in ivory towers. They refuse to face reality and continue to dream that their children are “better” and “successful” than other children. My mother told me one time how she got sick and tired of those parents bragging about their kids’ speech. Some had terrible speech yet the parents believed they were great.

    All parents need to face reality that their child is deaf and there is no problem being deaf. Quit trying to change them into “hearing” that they are NOT!

  16. johnfegbert says:

    Everyone, I deleted two comments from “deafa” (I don’t believe this commenter is deaf)

    Reason is the two links he/she posted were from JAMA & Archives Journals was founded in 1883 and has since expanded its coverage to include not only the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), but also includes, the Archives of Dermatology, Facial Plastic Surgery, General Psychiatry, Internal Medicine, Neurology, Opthalmology, Head & Neck Surgery, Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine and Surgery.

    This is part of the medical industry complex’s opinion of the “education” research hoping to inform parents to make a choice for their deaf infants.

    My message to deafa, I suggest you make your own blog and state your opinion why JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association) should be respected.

  17. deafa says:

    What? I was simply saying thats what ms kat is talking about. You ask for research, and i gave it to you. And yes I am deaf and I have a history of signing deaf family except my mom choose differently from me I have almost the similar hearing loss but enough to benefit from a power superfront phonak and/or bodyworn FM (wore in preschool) as you do since birth. Otherwise, why do you think I was able to get CI if I wasnt deaf. What give you the idea I am not deaf? I am not interested in writing a blog because I dont even know what to write. But if you continue to feel I side with the medical view of deafness then so boe it. I dont care.

    Is your definition of deaf is culturally deaf? If so, then i’ll just say I have profoundly hearing loss in both each (it was always like that) to make you feel better.

  18. deafa says:

    Just to let you know you really hurt my feelings when you say you dont think i am deaf. But thats ok because you dont know me. I am just a commenter.

  19. johnfegbert says:

    deafa,

    I emailed you to discuss with you and wanted to apologize you but you gave me a fake email.

    So what can I say? Are you for real?

    A commenter and I asked Miss Kat’s Mom for the link of her facts of the research that 85% of the CI are successful oralist and we haven’t heard yet. And at the same time, it puzzled me that you are trying to help Miss Kat’s Mom with your link from a medical source which baffles me and I questioned your integrity. I am sorry that I hurt your feelings….if it is realistic of what you have said. Sorry, I have a lot of doubt about you…still.

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